Precision Rifle Custom Muzzleloader Bullets
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A quick note on your QT 195 grain, .40 cal muzzleloader bullets fired from my Savage model 10ML. I used them in front of 44 grains of IMR4759 and found myself impressed with their performance on a big bodied mule deer. Truly devastating! The first shot at 100 yards, entered slightly quartering away, just ahead of the last rib, destroying the liver and the rear lobe of the right side lung (167 grains of retention). Surprisingly the deer didn't drop on this shot, but did offer another opportunity at 50 yards. This one quartering towards, was placed into the point of the shoulder, blasting through heavy muscle and both lungs (143 grains of retention). The deer traveled 40 yards or so before realizing it was dead. Both bullets were recovered under the hide on the right side (visible in the attached photo as a ruffle in the hair just behind the elbow) and showed great performance. The wound channels were devastating, proving that mulies can hang onto life tenaciously, even when hit solidly by quality bullets.
I look forward to using your products again next year!
Here is a picture for you, he grossed 190" shot him in CO with you 390
UL1 Spitzer HP conical @ 100 yds. One word describes the performance of your bullet
Cecil, I just want to say thanks for great products!!!
I don't get a lot of extra time to shoot my Encore 50
cal. but last weekend here in Southern lower Michigan
it was around 50 degrees & no snow!!! I had to take
advantage of it. I shot 125 grains of Black Mag3 & ran
a spit patch between every shot. 3 shot groups with 5
minute cool down intervals between to keep everything
equal. Here are the results. TC Shockwave 250gr super
glide sabots about 2" group/ Barnes 245gr spitfire
about 1 1/2" group but hard to load/Dead Center 40/50
300 grain 1" group, but again because of the long
ogive they load pretty hard/QT 40/50 250 grain 2"
group & loaded easily/Duplex 195 grain all holes
touching & by far THE EASIEST LOADING BULLET IN AN
ENCORE. This will be my new load from now on. I know
with proper practice I can tighten all of these
groups. I'm buying my dad a TC for fathers day & hope
to see the same results. I'll keep you posted as to
how it goes & hopefully we'll have some performance
reports on deer next season. Thanks for the GREAT
BULLET, Greg Kohler
I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you. 3-4 years ago when I was researching purchasing my second muzzle loader, I came across your website. I was searching for information on 45 caliber rifles. I found your website to be very informative & was confident after seeing your photos of the caribou hunt. I proceeded to purchase a 45 inline. I was pleased with it performance (even though I was shooting the wrong bullets) I grouped well enough to comfortably hunt, took several Kansas bucks. A year ago I convinced my buddie to purchase a 45 & off to the range we went. His TC Encore 45 had fliers going everywhere. I couldn't believe it. I remembered you website & told him about your 25 acp primer kit. we concluded the 209 had to be unseating the Powerbelts The next day we both ordered your Vari Flame kit & a couple packs of Dead centers. I must say we both were blown away. It settled that TC down in to sub 2" groups @ 100 yrds. I also saw better grouping, easier loading. Your products were life savers. Last weekend my friend took a doe in our late season with his new confidence. She went 25 yards before giving it up. I cant wait for this weekend to get my chance.
Your passion is obvious in your pursuit of excellent products. I am impressed with your refusal to except marginal performance. Who would have thought that the 209 craze was just that a craze & not superior product. I have learned a lot from your website. Rest assured I will confidently recommend you products to all who will listen.
Your loyal customer,
Got to hand it to you, you have the "BEST" bullets period.
If you recall I have a TC Encore .45 and the twist is faster than it should have been [ you told me so]
However Those 260 Gr bullets made for the savage ml
Shoot an inch every day all day long.
I shoot 120 Gr of 777 3fffg and I have your hornet case ignition system.
Killed 2 deer with them last year too.
they drop almost in their tracks at 80 yards!
Can I get some more of them with the .45 sabots?
Dr James C. Watson
By the way the chrony says just over 2000 fps
Run that with those 260 gr bullets and it is a lot of
foot pounds at 100 yds.
I returned last week from a successful muzzleloader elk hunt and wanted you to know how much I like the 50 cal 400 grain conicals. I am using a Knight Long Range Hunter and found that 110 grains of 777 gave me the desired power and performance. I tried a number of different conicals at the range and found the Precision bullet to be the best. Here is a picture of the elk. I shot him facing almost dead on to me at 90 yards. He made a short circle and fell within 10 yards, blood everywhere. This is not the biggest critter in Colorado, but the first is right now the best. Thanks for the bullet, I have recommended Precision to all my friends.
Cecil, I just wanted to give you some feedback on the 195 gr. duplex loads. I worked up to 42 gr. of IMR SR4759 and I am getting 1 inch groups with my smokeless Savage. I have taken the gun out hunting, but as of yet I have not got a shot on a deer. But I know from my experience with your 195 gr. duplex bullets they have killed a number of deer for me in my Encore.
Thanks for your help.
I locked in on this New Mexico Elk (Oct 17 2007) right at about 100 yards with a 260 grain dead center. I was impressed to use your bullets on a recommendation from a friend and after reading about how flat they shoot. The flat shooting of this bullet came in handy since I had a small window of opportunity between some thick cedars to bag this bull.
Thanks for providing a great product to the sport.
you people get an "atta boy",,,I shot three dead center bullets from a T/C Omega a few days ago,,,three shots...one hole,,I couldn't believe it,,after looking at the hole it looked like a 70cal hole,,,,just great things from you people,,,,
Bill Ruth,,,,Clear Water Muzzleloading,,,Drawer-G ,,Eau Claire,,Pa
I have tried Power Belts, SST's, Shockwaves and finally Dead Centers.
The Dead Centers take more force to load than a powerbelt...but only what I would consider "acceptable" force - I like set the stock on my foot when I load, with the SST's and SW's I could not, it crushed my toes SW are almost impossible to load, with the DC's it is not a problem.
Accuracy was fantastic, PB's would give me 3"+ groups the SST and SW were 2-2 1/2". I shot 3 groups, only ran 1 dry patch after each group, and they were 1 1/2" - 1 3/4" (my fault - I used the wrong end of my ramrod and the plastic tip stuck in the treads) and 1 1/4"!! - this is 75yrds with a fiber front and 1/8" peep rear. I then got off the bench and grabbed my shooting sticks and went 4 for 4 on gallon jugs at 50, 75, 100 , & 125 yards.
I use oil jugs (clean), they are heavier plastic that milk jugs and although split at the seems you get an exit hole in the back. Other muzzleloader bullets I have tired usually leave a huge exit hole, the DC's looked like I shot the jug with my .30-06, leaving about a 1/2-3/4" exit, which leads me to believe that DC got it right for a good wound channel with maximum penetration. Now I just need a deer to help me test that out....
You know have another life long user.
Hi Cecil, I purchased some of your PR Bullets they shoot great. The bullet I try was the 240gr.40/50 with the VariFlame, the load I try was 100gr. of TTT 7. At 100yds my three shot group measure at 5/8 of inch. The best my encore has ever shot. thanks Lee
A few weeks ago I purchased your 330gr. Extreme Elite HP. I have harvested two deer so far and both have been one shot drop dead kills! In the future I plan to use nothing else, they are everything you say they are. The only complaint is that they do mess up some meat. But on the other hand you don't have any blood trailing to do.
Thank you for such a great product.
G Greenfield, TN
I hunt the farmland of central Ohio where long shots are sometimes necessary. I use a CVA optima Pro in 50 cal. After researching your website I purchased the 25 ACP breech plug and some 240 grain Dead Center bullets. After some range time using 110 grains FF 777 I was ready. Although the distance on this buck was only 120 yards he did not take 3 steps.
I am a believer!
Probably don't remember talking to me, however you know the world of black powder.
Just want to say the QT 235 bullet did its job on this nice Oklahoma Whitetail.
He dropped in his tracks, just the way I like it.
Gun: Thompson Encore Pro-Hunter
Bullet: QT-235 Grain
Powder: Triple-7 110 grains
Keep up the good work, you make a great product
Senior NRA Field Rep-Oklahoma
I took this 8 point on Friday, 7 November 2008 in Central Virginia with my T/C Omega .50 cal, 100 gr. of Triple 7 (two 50 gr. pellets) and the Precision Rifle QT Polymer Tip 240 gr. bullet at 200 yards. I took a large doe the night before at 50 yards. I have been hunting with these bullets for five years now and can tell you they are by far the best muzzleloader bullets on the market. Even at 200 yards, this bullet did a complete pass through of the rib cage. Recovery was 10 yards from the location of the shot.
Every year I take my T/C Omega to the range to sight in. Since initial sight-in five years ago, I shoot twice. The first shot out of the clean barrel cuts the “X” in the 10 ring, and the subsequent shot on a single patched barrel cuts the 10 ring within ¾ of in inch of the first shot every year. Everyone is always amazed at the performance and asks my secret. My answer is the same every time, a combination of Triple 7 and the Precision Rifle Bullet. This combination has been deadly accurate and has yet to fail me in five years since discovering your line of bullets. Thanks for some great products.
I had the pleasure of speaking to you on the phone a few weeks ago; I had some questions concerning my muzzleloader, an Austin & Halleck 420. After you took the time to discuss with me the merits of my rifle I purchased from you a 209 adaptor for the Blackhorn 209 powder. I had on hand a box of the Extreme Hollow Points @ 360 grain. I was finally able to get to shoot my new set up on 11/14/2008 with season opening here in Michigan on the 15th I was less than optimistic about being ready the next day…BOY was I wrong. It took a couple of hours to work a load up for my rifle but she finally settled in at 125 grain’s of Blackhorn 209 with your 360 grain bullet. Needless to say she pounded me a little with that load but man did it shoot. I’ll be the first to say that I’m not the best shooter with my rifle but at 200 yards I was able to keep a group in a 3.5 inch circle with your bullets…never before have I been able to do that, I used to be happy with a paper plate at that distance. I was able to harvest a nice 8 point buck opening day, not the largest buck I have ever taken but my FIRST with a muzzleloader and the shot was at 175yds. This buck dropped in his tracks, a near perfect neck shot also made possible with a set of shooting sticks I made with your help. I hope you don’t mind but I made my sticks from your plans but not having hockey stick’s on hand I used a couple of old Golf shafts the grips hold the rifle steady and won’t slip even when wet. I included a picture of my buck. Thank you for your excellent products & taking the time to educate me on muzzleloader shooting.
I wish to thank you in writing for the exceptional products you offer. Your are a true pioneer.
Last year, I bought the cheapest inline ML on the market - a CVA Staghorn Magnum. I originally "sighted" this in with your 275 gr Extreme w/ the standard Shotgun primer. The best group I ever got was maybe 4". I thought that this was a "get what you pay for" group, but was successful in getting my deer and cow moose.
After reading some of your tips, I ordered the Super Rat loading tool, the VariFlame adapter, and purchased a heavier bullet - all via your site. After some experimental hours at the range with powder, cleaning, and seating (and a sore shoulder), I developed THE load for this rifle. Enclosed is a picture of my best group. 360 Extreme Elite, VARI-FLAME w/Winchester Small Rifle Primer, 120 gr of Pyrodex RS, all served up with the the Super Rat loading Tool. Just a touch over under 1.5" @ 100 yards.
This may not be the smallest group you have seen, but your accessories have turned my "Sow's Ear Rifle" into a "Silk purse shooter".
Thank you Sincerely,
Denwood, Alberta, Canada
Dear Cecil, a product testimony:
I discovered the precision rifle bullet in 2002 after trying at least five other top manufactures of muzzleloader bullets (Remington, Hornady, T/C, etc.). I had come to accept the typical 4" (3) shot group @ 100yds with peep sights (scopes not legal in my state of Idaho) as normal for modern muzzleloaders. When I began reading about subminute of angle groups with prbullets, I was skeptical but curious enough to place an order of Dead Center 50/45 bullets. Immediately my accuracy improved but I was closer to 2.5" than an 1". Rather than stop there, I gave prbullet a call. Working with Cecil, I was soon shooting groups that averaged 1.5" with the best being .75" (with the rare 3" because of a flyer). I had improved my accuracy 250%! The next test came a month later during hunting season. I took a 160 pound mule deer doe at 80 yards. The shot was head on and when the smoke cleared, I saw the deer racing downhill kicking her back legs wildly. She piled up 25 yards later. Upon cleaning the deer, I found the entrance wound at the base of her neck between her front shoulders. The bullet took the heart and then broke every rib from that point back. I found the bullet lodged against the pelvis (over 3 feet of penetration!) Upon weighing the bullet, it still weighed 264 grains- it had retained 88% of its original weight after hitting all that bone. To say the least, I am very happy that I found the Precision Rifle bullet and was thankful for all the technical help that the company gave. Their products are what they say they are.
Sincerely, a customer for life, Robby Denning, hunter and outdoor writer. * Rifle was a 50 cal Kahnke in 24" moly barrel
Love your product. Both of these deer were shot with QT Polymer Tip 275 gr. Both deer went straight down with zero years to recovery. Last years deer (2001) was my son's first hunt. Keep up the good work!!!
Just wanted ya'll to know that your bullets work great this is my business and hunting partner with a 155" buck taken with a 45 caliber Encore and I sending another picture with me and a 145" 9 point(my first muzzleloader kill) taken with a 200 grain dead center. Thanks for all ya'll help with the loads and all the other information we got. I can truly tell my customers to use your bullets.
Ronnie Cannon - Oxford, Ms. HOLE-IN-THE-HIDE OUTFITTERS
I would like to take this time to thank you for a fantastic product. On November 12, 2002 I made the most efficient humane kill ever with a muzzleloader. The result was a nine point buck with a 20 inch inside spread. The buck weighed 163 lbs. I dropped him with your dead center 45 caliber 240 gr. right in his tracks. I am shooting a nickel size group at 100 yards with a Thompson Center Encore and a 100 gr. of triple seven and your dead center sabots. This is a great combination that I plan to use over and over again. Again Thank you for our product and I look forward to seeing what you have to offer in the future.
Michael K. Williams
I am very impressed with your QT bullets. My wife had a great deer hunting season this year, and your QT 240 gr. bullet had a lot to do with it. The down range accuracy even with a old TC Hawkins 1 in 48 twist rifle, is the best we have ever used. Attached are some pictures
Roger & Sharon Conrath
Our deer season is over in Indiana. I, along with three other hunters shot bullets made by Precision Rifle. Two of the hunters are members of this board. We killed a total of 12 deer among the four us, including two mature bucks. Two of us shot 450 grain, .50/.54 sabots. We killed 9 deer. 6 of them had 0 yards to recovery. 2 went 15 yards and the mature 8 point went about 35 yards. I hit the 8 at 60 yards with a perfect double lung shot. He was the one to go 35 yards. Two guys killed the other three with 360 grain, .45/50 sabots. All three of them were 0 yards to recovery and one was a mature 5 pointer. ALL had exit wounds. All had HUGE blood. Two of the three that ran died within sight of the shooter and the one that did not just made it into the brush and I heard him thrashing for just a second or two. Overall, I have to give the bullets a huge, major, glowing endorsement. They do what I want them to do. I was never a fan of delivering a lot of energy into the deer. A hole straight through was sufficient for me, but... as long as I get an exit wound I am happy, and there is something to be said for getting the best of both worlds. I like seeing the deer drop. And I think that it is very humane as well. None of the 12 deer lasted more than about 5 seconds. PR bullet has a web site. If you call to order bullets, tell Cecil that you heard about them from me. He might send me another hat!
John T. Lowe
I would like to congratulate you on making /designing/marketing an amazing product. I would never have believed that a muzzle loader could be so accurate and so powerful at long range. On Thursday this week my best friend Frank of Springville Springers shot a ten point white tail buck at two hundred and forty one yards!!!! The three hundred grain dead center smashed and disabled one shoulder and punched through an off side rib. Your Dead Center bullets even get rid of the dreaded loading wrestling match of shoving the bullet down the bore. The Savage smokeless powder rifles and your Dead Center bullets are a match made in heaven. To my knowledge there is no better combination for muzzle loaders. After shooting paper and game I am wondering what the limits are of this super accurate and powerful combination. I keep checking your web site for updates on your exterior ballistics of your three hundred grain 45 caliber Dead Center bullets for 50 caliber rifles. Please publish them. I am starting to day dream about next years muzzle loading season here in Ontario and maybe a muzzle loading elk hunt in New Mexico next year. I am still shaking my head at the ability of these smokeless powder rifles using your bullets. And NO I do not work for Savage or the hunting or firearm industry ( I wish I did!)
Regards Don Katsumi
ps: TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE YARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To whom it may concern,
I realize a great deal of time and effort went into making the Dead Center .45 "round". I am here to say that it performs flawlessly on whitetail deer. On opening morning, Monday Dec. 02, 2002, (Ohio) I shot a nice eight point and was astonished at the way the bullet performed. I was using a CVA Eclipse .45, Triple 7 powder, Winchester primer, and your Dead Center. I shot the Buck at about 50 yards from an elevated stand and the Buck performed a 15 yard 'death dance' before he made two complete circles and fell stiff. I was amazed at the impact and the reaction of the deer since he damn there made a back flip when shot. Even though on this occasion the bullet did not make a complete pass through the animal, the hole inside the deer cavity behind the left front shoulder was about as big as a softball. I have yet to skin the deer out, and I believe the bullet is either wedged in between the muscle and the hide or in the right shoulder blade. Thank you again for your hard work and dedication in making such a wonderful muzzleloading projectile. It makes the hunt all that much better when a person can make a fast and humane kill. Good luck in future endeavors and I know you have a customer for life.
Your hunting buddy, Tom Moses
I bought my first bullets from you many years ago at a trade show, I've shot nothing else since. The accuracy and performance is unparalleled by any of your competition. As a professional big game hunter your bullets have proved themselves many times over ( To the delight of my taxidermist.) This year proved to be another success. I harvested this beautiful eight pointer at 108 yds. with a 300 grain silver lightning on the last day of Minnesota deer season. (See attached file: 2002 Whitetail Buck.bmp)
Thanks, And good hunting.
Gregory S. Maros
AM I IMPRESSED!!! I received the new barrel(1:30) for my .45 Knight and went to the range yesterday. I was using the .357 Dead Center sabot with 3 50 gr. pellets. After about 6 shots I had it on target. I then preceded to shoot a 2" group @ 100 yard dead center. Two shots were touching and the third was off (I may have pulled). I then moved the target to 200 yards and shot a 1 1/2" 3 shot group that only had a 3" drop! I can't wait for dear season! If you want I can send you a copy of the target.
Thanks for all of your help and for making such a great bullet.
I just want to say thanks for making the best bullets around. Attached is a picture of a deer I harvested on my Great Uncles farm in Minnesota November 16, 2002 using a Dead Center 175g in My Knight 45 Disc Extreme pushed with 110g of 777 fff. The deer was at 160 yards walking. The shot was a pass through which hit both lungs, he traveled about 50 yards and tipped over dead. This is the third deer I've shot with these bullets and all three went less than 50 yards with great blood trails.
I have enjoyed shooting your bullets, I have purchased 300 of your Dead Center .40 cal 200 grain for my T/C Encore, very nice. I have also shot approx 200 of your QT .40 cal 250 .44 cal. Wonderful expansion on recovered bullets. I am currently working with your .40 250 grain QT, but due to Indiana law I must use a .44 cal bullet. I have now shot 150 rounds through my T/C Encore and 100 rounds with my new Omega. Enclosed is the group I attained from my Encore after using your loading and "spit patching" procedure. To say the least I am pleased. Currently the Omega is being zeroed in at 200 yards. Using 130 grains of Triple 7 and attaining 2.0 to 2.5 inch groups. I tell everyone about your product! Thanks for all the good work. Looking forward to your ballistics on the Dead Center 260 grain.
Just wanted to let you know, this last weekend I shot your Precision Dead Center 240 grain bullet and sabot in my T/C Encore 209x50 Muzzleloader. I started with 100 grains and ended with 120 grains of Hodgden 777 powder. At 75 yards and up to 100 yards I was shooting 0.75 inch groups with this combination. I also had installed a spring kit from BellM to lighten the pull to approx. 2 lbs. Other than this the Encore is stock. Last season when I bought the gun I was shooting approx. 4-5 inch groups with the stock trigger pull and both weights of CVA Powerbelts. Since these groups were not really what I expected from this gun, I decided to change things for more accuracy. After reading your article on changes you made to a test 209X50 Encore, I became motivated to do the same thing. Hence the results I got! I am highly impressed with the quality and accuracy of your Dead Center bullets!!! What a great product you make. I only hope other hunters see the light and use your bullets for all their hunting needs!
Jack G. Ingle
Just a note - I shot a small buck (120 lbs dressed) two years ago that was just a little over 200 yds. The QT40 235 hit him directly in the heart. My buddy, who was looking through the binocs when I shot him, said it looked like a blood-filled water baloon broke out of the opposite side. He ran about 40 yds. When I opened him up his heart and the lower part of his lungs were gone. Sucked out of a hole about the size of a nickle. Awesome!
Thanks for making these bullets,
I waited 5 months for a TC Omega and when I got it last week I tried your Dead Center bullets in 200, 220 and 240 grains. At 100 yards I had a 3-shot group of 0.6" with the 240's using 100 grains Triple Seven FFFg (photo attached). I'd never seen a muzzleloader outshoot my centerfire rifle, so the next day I tried the same load at 50 yards and got a 0.4" group!
I'll be ordering more.
I like to shoot, and I shoot a lot. I've shied away from sabots in times past, as fighting hard to load, low ballistic coefficient pistol bullets is not my idea of a good time. I'd rather be stamp collecting. Cecil Epp's "Dead Center" sabots have taken muzzleloading sabots to a whole new level, and have changed my idea of how good saboted bullets in modern muzzleloaders can actually be. They are the easiest loading sabots I have ever used. They are also by far the most repeatably accurate bullets I have ever used in the popular 1:28 twist barrels. I can't promise anyone that Cecil's "Dead Center" bullets will turn a muzzleloader with lackluster accuracy into a tackdriver. I can say that they WILL take an already accurate 1:28 twist barreled smokepole, and elevate it to a phenomenal level of accuracy and flat trajectory that would be regarded as unbelievable only a few years ago. I suspect the ghosts of Elmer Keith and Jack O'Connor have looked down on the craftsmanship of the bullets manufactured by Cecil Epp and his sons. And boy, are they ever smiling! What the hole in the X-raying tells you, your heart must believe. "Dead Centers" have made a believer out of me. If you give them a test drive, you'll be a believer as well!
Randy Wakeman 12362 S. Oxford Lane Plainfield, Illinois 60544 815-254-2135 USA
This September will be remembered for trying new things; while I didn’t draw, both of my sons drew buck antelope tags in the muzzleloader season, and as youth were given access to an area not hunted for the past two years. While we had all hunted does before with a centerfire rifle, none of us had experienced a muzzleloader hunt, and certainly not during the rut. The terrain was flat as the proverbial pancake, with very little other than the scattered yuccas to use for cover. We would need to prepare for some accurate shots at ranges previously reserved for high power rifle hunts. Sometimes it’s a blessing to start with no experience: it lessens the preconceptions about what can and cannot be done, and forces one to study the available options. That’s what I did when researching the loads for a T/C Black Diamond I bought used this spring. I was intrigued with your “Dead Center” double saboted .357 bullets, and while there were other better advertised and highly touted options out there, I decided to give them a try on the range. I was not disappointed! Both of my boys (ages 13 and 16 as of the hunt) found the recoil pleasant and the whole hands-on process of muzzleloading to be, well, fun.
I have enclosed two photos from this hunt; while neither buck will score high (each was 13in) they are great “firsts” and will make fine European mounts in the boys’ bedroom. Additionally, the 13 year old will take the T/C and your 195grain bullets on a November cow elk hunt. If you’re into loading recipes, we used 110grains of Triple Seven and 209 primers with these 195grain projectiles. I didn’t have time to “tinker” with the loads for best accuracy, but for hunting purposes this worked well. I appreciate your web site and helpful advice on it.
Thank you for your part in the memories of two young gentlemen and a proud Dad.
Great to find a product that really works! I took my TC Omega .45 with its new .25 breech plug out to the range and had a group tighten from 5 inches to less than an inch, shooting 175 g Dead Centers with 105 grains of T3 FFg.
Thanks for your help.
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